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The Debate About Certification, etc.: The Courtroom Argument Concludes

Second of a multi-part series

The story so far: a probate case is being tried to the court.  The plaintiff, Mr. Cousins, is represented by the firm of Gried Avarice Mammon & Lust LLP. His attorney, Patricia Lust, must show client’s relationship to the decedent in order to prevail in the case.  She has called as a witness one Jeanne Runner, and is asking the court to allow Ms. Runner to testify as an expert in genealogy.  The defendant executor’s attorney, Noe Udont, has objected to allowing Runner to testify as an expert in genealogy.  See this link to read the testimony leading up to this point.  The judge is about to hear argument and then rule.

Judge: Ms. Udont, you may argue your position.

Udont: Your Honor, she may  testify as an expert only if she is qualified by reason of knowledge, skill, experience, training or education and even, only if specialized knowledge will assist the trier of fact to understand the evidence or to determine a fact in issue.

Judge: Well, as the trier of fact, I can tell you it’s a fact that she knows more about genealogy than I do!

Udont: So that means she may satisfy a part of the test, but they still haven’t shown that she is qualified by reason of knowledge, skill, experience, training, or education.  Why, she doesn’t even have a degree in history! She’s got no certifications.  She has no training.  She has no formal education. She’s an amateur in the worst way.  She’s not a genealogist; she’s just a stay-at-home mom with a hobby!

Lust: Not so, Your Honor. Clearly, she has knowledge; you’ve just so found.  She’s got experience, a decade ‘s worth.  And she has had training.  Just because she’s got no certifications  doesn’t mean she can’t be found to be an expert.

Udont: If she was so good, then she’d have certifications.  And Your Honor, I will argue that it is bad public policy to allow someone who is uncertified in a profession to testify in court as an expert. The court should want to encourage professional certifications so as to improve the quality of evidence that will come before it in cases like this.  You remember what the Supreme Court had to say about the role of the judge as gatekeeper to keep out bogus expert opinion in those “junk science” cases, don’t you?  Well, this is going to turn out to be the junk genealogy case, if you allow this witness to give an expert opinion!

Judge: You can be sure I recall what the court said in the junk science cases about the court’s role as “gatekeeper.” And I think that those cases have some relevance here.  But I don’t recall the court saying anything about judges making public policy regarding certain professions.  But let me ask  Ms. Runner a couple of questions.  Ms. Runner, do you have that article you wrote with you?  May I see it?

(Witness hands the judge a copy of a journal).

(Judge peruses journal for several minutes).

Judge: I see in this article that you set out to prove the paternity of one Richard Jones.  And you conclude that his father was one George Jones.  I see that you’ve made extensive use of footnotes to cite your sources, and that you evaluate your sources and conclusions according to something called the Genealogical Proof Standard.  Quite an impressive piece!

Runner: Thank you, Your Honor.

Judge: Now this, uh, Genealogical Proof Standard, is it the way evidence and conclusions are evaluated in the genealogical community?

Runner: It’s the gold standard.

Judge: I see another article in this journal that doesn’t seem to meet the same standards of rigor that you have in your piece.  There are very few source citations.  And even though I’ve never done any genealogical research, it is apparent to me that there are other places that the author should have searched.  And he doesn’t seem to resolve any of the contradictions very well.  So I’m ready to rule on the request that Ms. Runner be allowed to testify as an expert in this case.  It seems to me–and no offense meant to anyone–but genealogy is not rocket science.  Nor is it junk science.  It is a field that calls for specialized knowledge, skill, experience, education and training.  While certifications certainly are some evidence of specialized knowledge, skill experience education and training, they are not necessarily the controlling factor with respect to the quality of one’s genealogical research.  Ms. Udont argues that Ms. Runner is a rank amateur; a mere hobbyist.  And these terms are used in a pejorative sense.  It’s not my job to influence whether or not genealogist ought to be certified as a general proposition.  That’s for someone else to decide.  It does seem to me however that there is a dichotomy of genealogists.  Not professional versus amateur; not certified or accredited versus uncertified or unaccredited.  Rather, there are creditable genealogists, and other genealogists. Put another way, there are serious genealogists and all other genealogists.  And certainly a stay-at-home mom can be a serious genealogists. As I said, she knows more about it than I do, so clearly, the trier of fact, that being me,  will be assisted in understanding the evidence or  determining a fact in issue.  I find that Ms. Runner has such specialized knowledge, skill, experience, education and training in the field of genealogy.  I therefore find her for the purposes of this trial to be an expert in genealogy, eligible to give an expert opinion on genealogical matters  at issue in this case.

Lust: Thank you, Your Honor.

Judge: Of course, Ms. Udont, you may call your own genealogical expert in your case in chief.

Udont: And we intend to do so, Your Honor.  Plaintiff has been given notice of our expert and has deposed our expert, just as we deposed Ms. Runner prior to the hearing today.

Judge: It’s 4: 30; we might as well call it a day.  Counsel and the witness be prepared at 8 a.m. tomorrow to begin the testimony. Court is in recess.

–ooOOoo

As the parties were gathering their papers up to leave the courtroom, Jeanne Runner who had left the witness stand, said to Lust, “So what does that mean exactly?”

“Well,” said Lust, “it means he thinks you’re an expert in genealogy, at least in this trial.  It doesn’t mean we win, necessarily.”

Lust’s client, Mr. Cousins, the plaintiff, said, “I’m just a little bit worried about that certification thing. He didn’t exactly say it didn’t make a difference.  And the executor’s expert is a certified genealogist.  ”

Lust replied, “No, he didn’t say it didn’t make a difference.  It does go to the weight of her testimony, not whether she should be allowed to testify at all.”

Runner said, “Do you think I should go out and get certification or accreditation as a genealogist?  Would I make a better witness if I did?”

“As I understand it, accreditation or certification can be an expensive and lengthy process,” said Lust.  “I think I agree with the judge–that the certification or accreditation issue is not one for lawyers to decide.  You come prepared as a truth-telling, highly proficient witness, and I can do the rest, accreditation or no accreditation; certification or no certification.”

“Thanks,” said Runner, “I will see you in the morning.” Cousins said, “Thank you, Jeanne and Pat.  See you tomorrow.”

After the witness and the client had left, Udont said to Lust, “Hey, Pat, got time for are drink at The Other Bar?”

Lust said, “Uh, yeah, the kids are out on an overnight school field trip and won’t be back until tomorrow.”

Next: A Coupla Lawyer Chicks Sittin’ Around Talkin’ ’bout Certification of Genealogists

The Discussion About Standards, Certification, Maturity, etc.

The  first post on this series attracted a lot of notice.  The series will continue after Christmas, as the judge prepares to decide whether to accept Jeanne Runner as an “expert” witness concerning genealogy.  We’ll discuss the implications of the judge’s decision for those of us in the field of genealogy.

The Discussion about Standards, Certification, Maturity, etc.: Useful or Divisive? Elitist Envy or Intellectual Inevitability?

Part I of Several Parts

When  I say in in my profile on this page, that I “literally have a checkered past,”  that refers to both my ancestral background (as it would to most people) and to the fact that for complicated reasons, I have been in several different professions in my working lifetime.  I have been, among other things, a military officer, a college professor (undergrad and grad), a lawyer, and a law professor.  These professions and their organizations have in common a need for self-examination which to an outsider (or even some insiders) sometimes seems obsessively paranoiac.

Law faculties and the profession of law teaching are good examples.  On a broad basis, they worry constantly about whether they are producing intelligent scholarship or merely showing their students  “a craft,” like plumbing or carpentry (and in many law faculties those honorable crafts are regarded with derision).  They worry about “credentials”: their own and those of their students.  And lately they’ve been forced (they say) by outside forces to  worry about where they “rank” among their peers.  Based on somebody’s perception of these issues, law schools have come to categorize themselves by “tiers”; i.e., the University of Texas School of Law in Austin is a “first tier” law school; the University of New Mexico School of Law is not.

Are these discussions worthwhile?

I ponder this because similar discussions take place in genealogical circles.

Recently, two writers whose work I admire, the Ancestry Insider, he of his anonymously eponymous blog, and James Tanner of Genealogy’s Star, have published provocative pieces that have drawn reaction from many more folks I admire and respect.  And, no surprise, the objects of my admiration and respect have diverse views on the issues.

James Tanner, a lawyer, asked the question “Is certification of genealogists necessary?” A very good question, indeed. Why would certification of genealogists be necessary: to give some people some additional letters to go in behind their names, or to give a competitive advantage to others, or to provide a consumer protection?

Over the next several posts, we’ll discuss those issues.  But first let’s start with a legal scenario to stoke the fire a bit.  Suppose a party is in court to demand what he believes to be a share of his rightful inheritance. This party’s case relies on proof of his relationship to the deceased.  The relationship is not obvious in any way. So the party, let’s call him Mr. Cousins, hires a genealogist to trace the family relationships.  Let’s go to the courtroom now where Mr. Cousins’ attorneys from the firm of Gried Avarice Mammon & Lust are about to present their case.

Patricia Lust (attorney for plaintiff Cousins): Your Honor, plaintiff calls Jeanne Runner.

Noe Udont (attorney for defendant  Executor):  Your Honor, we object to the testimony of this witness.  We believe that she is going to present so-called genealogical evidence.

Judge: And your problem with that is…?  You know the rules of evidence in this state say that relevant evidence is any evidence having any tendency to make more or less probable the existence of any fact it at issue in the case, and that relevant evidence is admissible,  correct, Ms. Udont?

Udont: Yes, I know that, Judge.  Those are Evidence Rules 401 and 402  But I think they’re trying to use this witness to to give testimony based on her opinion. She has no personal knowledge of plaintiff’s family history.  She wasn’t there when he was born.  She wasn’t there when his grandfather was born.  Or any of the other relatives for that matter.  And our state’s evidence rule 603 does not allow a witness to testify as to matters of which she has no personal knowledge.

Lust: Ah, but the rules of evidence in this state do allow  an expert witness to testify as to her opinion if her scientific, technical, or other specialized knowledge will assist the court to  determine a fact in issue.

Udont: Well, she’s right about that.   State evidence rule 702, however, says that the witness must be “qualified as an expert by knowledge, skill, experience, training, or education.”  I doubt that a genealogist could be so qualified.

Judge: And the rule also says that a so-called “expert”  may give opinion testimony only if (1) the testimony is based upon sufficient facts or data, (2) the testimony is the product of reliable principles and methods, and (3) the witness has applied the principles and methods reliably to the facts of the case.

Lust: Well, Your Honor, let me bring my witness in and we’ll see.

Judge: Okay.

(Witness is brought in and takes the stand, and is sworn)

Lust: For the record, what is your name please?

Witness: My name is Jeanne Runner.

Lust:  Are you employed, Ms. Runner?

Runner: Uh, not in the usual sense.  Mainly I stay home with my two young children.

Lust: How do you occupy your time other than spending it with your young children?

Runner: I’m a genealogist.

Udont: Objection, Your Honor.  The answer is conclusory and presupposes–

Judge: Overruled.  You may continue, Ms. Lust.

Lust: Ms. Runner, what degrees or formal education do you have in the field of genealogy?

Runner: Well, I don’t have any degree in genealogy.  I have I have a bachelors of science degree in electrical engineering.  And I’m not sure I know what you mean by “formal education in genealogy.”

Lust: How did you come by your knowledge of genealogy?

Runner: Well, about 10 years ago, I became interested in  family history.  I read a book by a woman named Elizabeth Shown Mills.  Since then I’ve read just about everything she’s ever written.  I started going to genealogical conferences, and I began tracing my own family history using census records, military records, land records, old newspaper articles, photographs, things like that, you know.

Lust: Do you belong to any genealogical societies or organizations?

Runner: Yes, I belong to the National Genealogical Society, the Association of Professional Genealogists, three different state genealogical societies, the Guild of One Name Studies, and my state’s historical society.

Lust: In the past five years, what conferences have you attended with respect to genealogy?

Runner: I’ve been to the National Genealogical Society conference, the Southern California Genealogical Society Jamboree, the annual meetings of the three state genealogical societies I belong to, and the conference of the State historical society to which I belong.

Lust: Have you published in the field of genealogy?

Runner: Yes.  I published an article in one of the state genealogical society journals about how I found my great great grandfather, who had a very common name, by using tax and land records, and old arrest records.  I also have a blog on which I publish regularly tips and hints for others who are interested in genealogy; and I have a web site where I have recorded all of my family history including sources.

Lust: Ms. Runner, have you won any awards for your work in genealogy?

Runner: Why, yes.  The article that I mention that I published in a state genealogical society journal was voted best article of the year by the members of the of the society.

Lust: What other activities you engage in regarding genealogy?

Runner: Well, I teach beginning genealogy at our local community college.  I’m a presenter every year at our local genealogical society’s  education day. And I edited the biography of the founder of our town. Oh, and I forgot to mention earlier that I am member of the Daughters of Nordic Ancestors in America an d I chair their family history education committee.

Lust: Your Honor, at this time, I would tender Ms. Runner as an expert in genealogy qualified by her training, experience, knowledge and education, to present an opinion regarding Mr. Cousins’  family history..

Udont: Before you rule on that, Your Honor, may I examine the witness?

Judge: Yes, of course.

Udont: Ms. Runner, you mentioned that you were a member of the Association of Professional Genealogists.  Would you consider yourself a professional genealogist?

Runner: You know, I’m afraid I really don’t know what is meant by the term “professional genealogist.”

Udont: Ms. Runner, is genealogy an art or science?

Runner
: Well, there are aspects of both art and science in the practice of genealogy.  It’s a field of knowledge, hence the suffix “-ology.”

Udont
: So you want the court to conclude that anyone who dabbles in a “something-ology” is an expert “something-ologist,” just because they say they are?

Lust: Objection, Your Honor, argumentative.

Judge: Sustained.  Watch yourself, Ms. Udont.

Udont: Sorry.  Ms. Runner, are you certified by the Board for Certification of Genealogists?

Runner: No.

Udont: Are you accredited by the international commission for accreditation of professional genealogists?

Runner: No.

Udont: Have you received certification or accreditation from any other genealogical organization in the United States?

Runner: To my knowledge, there are no other certification or accreditation bodies other than the two that  you’ve already mentioned.

Udont
: How many times have you testified in court as an expert witness in genealogy?

Runner: Never.

Udont: Thank you, Ms. Runner.  I have no further questions.  Your Honor, I’ll enter my objection to her testifying as an expert.

How should the judge decide?    Keep in mind these rules:

1.  Generally, a witness cannot testify to a matter of opinion, unless the witness is an expert witness.
2.  An expert witness is one who is qualified by reason of “knowledge, skill, experience, training, or education.”